Going back to college.

Surgo · Post by **Surgo** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:50 pm

And of course, I have the opposite experience in two separate institutions where the gaming clubs are the complete opposite of what you describe and, in the both institutions, the gaming groups involving people who are still visiting and talking with each other -- yes, years later.

"Anecdote" is not "data". You can stop pretending your experiences are universal and completely representative of an entire population any time now.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:11 pm

Likewise. What the fuck is your issue? Are you going to whip out some research and show sociological data supporting your awesomeness? No?

Then fuck off. Anecdotes are the limit in situations like this.

Surgo · Post by **Surgo** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:16 pm

Excuse me? You were the one who claimed that "university gaming clubs tend to be insular, composed of social rejects that have yet to blossom". The burden of proof is on you, not me.

It would be a terrible tragedy if someone was driven away from what might be an excellent group of people to game and have fun with because one guy had a sour experience and thus wants to warn people who ask away from unrelated clubs in unrelated universities.

"I had bad experiences with university gaming clubs, and here is why and what you should look out for" would be a perfectly acceptable things to say. Trying to cram university gaming clubs as a whole with a bullshit categorical statement based on your exactly two data points is not an acceptable thing to say.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:27 pm

Go to a gaming club, Lago. You will have a wonderful experience.

Bill Bisco: Isometric Imp · Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:22 pm

Very Simple.

If there's a group of people around in college whom you can play RPGs with and have a fun time go for it.

If there's a group of people around in college whom you can play RPGs with, but you don't have a fun time, leave the group and try finding or creating another one.

I would suggest making an effort to join/create a group and play a few sessions. Low Cost, Low Risk, High potential Yield.

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:41 am

I think I get what Mean Liar may have intended, even though it was poorly stated:

A gaming club in college nets you friends.

A club outside of college nets you friends and connections.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:12 am

Maj wrote:I think I get what Mean Liar may have intended, even though it was poorly stated:

A gaming club in college nets you friends.

A club outside of college nets you friends and connections.

Except even that is grossly and stupidly wrong. A gaming club in college nets you gamers in college as friends and connections. Since you are starting college, everyone in the group now will be out of college by the time you graduate, and since they are nerds in college, chances are pretty good they will be someplace that can matter later. And of course, you have lots of free time in college, but actually successful important people don't usually have a lot of free time for gaming.

Comparatively, a gaming group outside of college in a college town is drawing form the general population, which is worse off than the general college population.

And even more than that, it's in a college town, so it will be slightly biased towards people who finished college, but loved the place, and aren't ready to give up on college.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:56 pm

Whatever. We're all here to give opinions. Mine are backed up with anecdotes, so are counterexamples. Big fucking deal.

I'll tell you that a college graduate in this economy is not going to be anything close to an awesome hookup for a job or career.

Juton · Post by **Juton** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:19 pm

But the great thing about college is you are hiding from the 'real world' for 3-4 years. So get your degree while the economy sucks, hopefully in 3 years they'll be hiring.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:41 pm

mean_liar wrote:Whatever. We're all here to give opinions. Mine are backed up with anecdotes, so are counterexamples. Big fucking deal.

No, you give incorrect factual statements that are also categorical and absolute.

Other people correctly point out that you are wrong.

It is not an opinion that apples are always blue, it is fucking retarded.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:23 pm

Just show us on the doll where they touched you and get over it.

EDIT - Also, suck on the biggest, wartiest dick you can find and keep sucking until whatever hole in you that endlessly spouts axe-grinding bullshit is stoppered up by the gangly, hairy clots of semen you so desperately desire to be gobbling on.

Cielingcat · Post by **Cielingcat** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:43 pm

Dude, mean_liar, you made a bullshit statement and got called out on it. Accept it and move on.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:47 pm

But Cieeeeeeeling Cat! If you are wrong about something, it's always because the other person is being mean to you, and it's their fault. It can't possibly be mean liars responsibility to make sure that his statements are correct. And no one else is allowed to correct him, because that would be mean!

Hey, wait a minute, that's very familiar.

Mean Liar, you are a conservative right?

I guess I really can't expect any better of you.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:32 pm

It's not bullshit to hold the opinion that you're going to make more employment contacts outside university than in it. Folks can shit everywhere on anything they want but it doesn't change the fact that we're all basically bullshitting here and no one has anything substantive to really add other than their anecdotes and opinions.

Kaelik going off like this is the stupidest thing he's ever heard is par for the course. The dude thinks if you don't let trolls into the city OF YOUR DnD GAME you're a fucking racist piece of shit in REAL LIFE. He has no sense of scale or proportion and just can't stop shitting everywhere. Just because he's a rabid asshole doesn't mean that he's right, it only means he's a strident fuck used to shouting people down.

Surgo wants fucking proof, as if this is some peer-reviewed journal, or for every opinion to be couched in mewling caveats. Honestly though I think most would assume this is only relevant in cases where he disagrees.

And no, I'm not conservative, at least to, oh, 50% of the population. Liberals think I'm conservative and conservatives think I'm a liberal. I think anyone playing with labels like those as insults is a fucking child.

So yeah, in a thread about going to college the idea that a prospective electrical engineer should actively look for professional links outside of school in his gaming groups is "factually incorrect" and "grossly and stupidly wrong".

Surgo · Post by **Surgo** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:35 pm

mean_liar wrote:Surgo wants fucking proof, as if this is some peer-reviewed journal, or for every opinion to be couched in mewling caveats. Honestly though I think most would assume this is only relevant in cases where he disagrees.

And you accuse us of having no reading comprehension?

What I want is you to correctly call an anecdotal statement that may or may not be true, but was your experience...an anecdotal statement that may or may not be true, but was your experience. Here, I'll even say it again in case you missed reading it above (which you appear to have):

"I had bad experiences with university gaming clubs, and here is why and what you should look out for" would be a perfectly acceptable things to say. Trying to cram university gaming clubs as a whole with a bullshit categorical statement based on your exactly two data points is not an acceptable thing to say.

AKA, you made a bullshit statement and got called on it.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:43 pm

I didn't miss it; that's the "mewling caveats" I was referring to. You didn't quote the part where you asked for proof, though, but whatever. When the fuck is anyone on this board civil enough to bother writing all that shit out? Yeah, in conversation I'd say, "well, shit, fuck a university gaming group because they TEND to be stupid-as-fuck" and you'd say, "bullshit I've had good experiences" and I'd say, "yeah, you're right, mine were different" and we'd drink to that and move on.

NOTE: THIS IS A REALIZATION THAT WHAT I WROTE WAS WRITTEN POORLY AND COULD BE BETTER PHRASED.

But no. Not on the Den. There will be calls for PROOF and ENDLESS REPETITION for the sake of something that escapes me. Points, I imagine, in a Firefox add-on that I don't currently have installed or something.

The idea isn't bullshit, it's just something that some people disagree with. Of course, this is the Den and therefore the fact that someone disagrees with something makes it the stupidest fucking thing on earth, ever, and probably the real reason why the Holocaust happened.

erik · Post by **erik** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:01 pm

Cool, if we got points I might post more!

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:07 pm

Mean Liar, you are fucking retarded. I'm going to skip over the part where you can't read and fail to recognize that any arbitrary predjudice that mimics racism does not mean they are a racisist, but is equally as stupid, and get right to politics.

You are obviously some kind of "If two people have an opinion, the correct oopinion is half way between the two" idiot that was created when conservatives adopted the PC movements focus on how people feel and started denying objective reality exists, so I'll spell it out real short:

Anyone who doesn't recognize that being conservative is an insult is an idiot. Being conservative has a 99% overlap with being a fucking retard, and the only ones who aren't are the ones who are lying when they say things just to keep being rich.

So yes, conservative is an insult.

Now get down of your "I'm a moderate" high horse, and in you want to avoid being shat on, I recommend you not make categorical statements based on ancedotes.

I can also ride the moderate high horse, only better than you, because conservatives think I'm conservative and liberals think I'm liberal, because I spend my time shitting on stupid people, and they confirmation bias that because I haven't shat on them yet it means I agree with them.

mean_liar · Post by **mean_liar** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:20 pm

Kaelik wrote: You are obviously some kind of "If two people have an opinion, the correct oopinion is half way between the two" idiot

Actually, I'm of the "if two people have an opinion and one of them is me then that's the correct opinion" camp.

Also:

Ganbare Gincun · Post by **Ganbare Gincun** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 3:53 am

mean_liar: Posting pictures of dead children from the Holocaust isn't going to make your arguments any more valid or win anyone over to your cause. It just comes off as tasteless attention whoring.

Juton · Post by **Juton** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:06 am

mean_liar wrote:It's not bullshit to hold the opinion that you're going to make more employment contacts outside university than in it. Folks can shit everywhere on anything they want but it doesn't change the fact that we're all basically bullshitting here and no one has anything substantive to really add other than their anecdotes and opinions.

Dude, I assume you go to Uni in a big city? In my little podunk town the biggest employer is a call centre. Networking at school is a great idea, you can do it when you're drunk, it's not guaranteed to get you work but nothing is. Also try and make friends with rich people, they have nice things.

Also what the fuck would be substantive here? Is there some study on where it is most optimal to join a gaming group? The things we've learned, our anecdotes and observation aren't bullshit, they're data.

Starmaker · Post by **Starmaker** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 10:54 am

Kaelik wrote:You are obviously some kind of "If two people have an opinion, the correct oopinion is half way between the two" idiot (...)

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Lago PARANOIA · Post by **Lago PARANOIA** » Mon May 31, 2010 8:30 pm

So I'm just wondering, why are computer science majors the butt-monkeys of the science majors? I don't really know the difference between them and computer engineering folks except for the fact that the latter has more schooling. Big deal.

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Mon May 31, 2010 9:19 pm

Lago PARANOIA wrote:So I'm just wondering, why are computer science majors the butt-monkeys of the science majors? I don't really know the difference between them and computer engineering folks except for the fact that the latter has more schooling. Big deal.

I looked up "butt-monkeys" on Urban Dictionary to see what you mean, but I'm still not totally clear. The most likely meaning of 'butt-monkey' seemed to be 'sycophant', but do you mean that CS majors put other science majors on a pedestal or vice-versa?

Also, why have the CE majors had more schooling? Do they just have more graduation requirements?

Surgo · Post by **Surgo** » Mon May 31, 2010 9:41 pm

Lago PARANOIA wrote:So I'm just wondering, why are computer science majors the butt-monkeys of the science majors? I don't really know the difference between them and computer engineering folks except for the fact that the latter has more schooling. Big deal.

This must depend on the school, because it wasn't true where I went to school.